Amanda Knox 27 March 2015
Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were exonerated by Italy’s Supreme Court for the murder of Meredith Kercher on March 27, 2015. On September 7th the court released the motivation report explaining the decision which has since been translated into English by volunteers from Injustice Anywhere — An organisation working to correct wrongful convictions. The Bruno-Marasca Motivations Report is scathing in it’s findings and a complete repudiation of the fantasies of the former prosecutors, Giuliano Mignini, and his side-kick Manuela Comodi, as well as the report from the court a quo that convicted them in Florence.
Some of findings include:
- It was a completely inadequate investigation at the scene and in the days following it;
- the sex game motive is bunk, and there is no evidence at all that Sollecito knew Guede;
- the forensic traces were too small, and the computers of the defendants were trashed by the carelessness of investigators;
- time of death issues revealed the deplorable carelessness of the investigation;
- the selective “clean up” theory was ridiculous;
- the real time of death was between 9pm and 10.13pm as the defense had always said;
- the bra clasp has no evidentiary value because of the 46 day delay in collection. Stefanoni wore obviously dirty gloves;
- it was manifestly impossible for AK and/or RS to have been involved with this crime and have left no trace of their involvement;
- the compelling issue about the alleged weapon, the kitchen knife, is that there is no blood evidence associated with it. The starch which was found (!) was of the absorbent kind which manifestly would have sopped up blood if it had been there!
- the media hype accelerated the need to pin the crime on someone.
At only 52 pages, the report didn’t even need to address all the so called “evidence” in detail because it was so bad.
Here’s some of the recent news and articles since its release:
- Amanda Knox’s lawyer on why she was acquitted September 7, 2015 – Carlo Dalla Vedova talks about the Italian Supreme Court motivation report and acquittal of his client, Amanda Knox;
- The Supreme Court shows fists to those who work without professionalism in the justice system by Massimo Prati, September 9, 2015
- Bongiorno: “Those who were wrong [must] pay” By Erika Pontini September 8, 2015 – Sollecito’s lawyer on the attack: “Minister must intervene”
- Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Final Words by Luca Cheli, September 22, 2015
One article that caught my attention was by Russian radio commentator, investigative reporter and blogger, Yulia Latynina on the popular Russian news site Snob.ru. In the 2 weeks since publication it’s had over 169 000 views at the time of writing. Amongst other things Latynina mentions the “internet freaks” obsessed with Amanda Knox and the websites they’ve created to smear both her and Raffaele Sollecito.
These “internet freaks” are all regular contributors at 3 cult like anti-Amanda Knox hate sites, two of which are called “Perugia Murder File” (PMF). PMF split into 2 separate groups (.org and .net) because the original moderators, Peggy Ganong and “Michael”, couldn’t get along and started hating on each other. The activities of the anti-Knox hate group have been well documented. Author Nina Burleigh wrote about them in an articled titled: “The Amanda Knox Haters Society: How They Learned to Hate Me Too.” Best selling author Douglas Preston wrote about the group in his recent Amazon single: “Trial By Fury: Internet Savagery and the Amanda Knox Case.” And Bruce Fischer wrote about the group in his book: “Finding Justice in Perugia”. You can read the complete chapter here.
Latynina singles out one in particular, Canadian conman, Naseer Ahmad, who posts on the internet as “Ergon” and “ManFromAtlan”. Ahmad has been smearing Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito via twitter and the hate forum (PMF.net) he moderates for years. When not smearing them or Kate and Gerry McCann, he spends his time leading his “disciples” on his blog, “ManfromAtlan.com”. You see, Naseer believes he is God. In fact, he boldly proclaims himself to be the “Messiah Jesus Christ” from a planet called “Atlan” and that he can heal sick people, in particular children. Of course this charlatan wants to be paid for his “healing” and insists on post dated check and his services can cost up to $10 000. You can read more about Ergon here.
In recent days Naseer Ahmad and the hater trolls have been harassing the twitter account of Loyola Law Chicago who announced Amanda Knox would a guest speaker at Loyola University on December 3 to talk about wrongful convictions. Loyola is the latest in a long list of people or groups who have been targeted by the hate group. In late 2013 Sir Richard Branson tweeted in support of Knox and Sollecito and was subjected to hundreds of abusive tweets. In 2011 Jimmy Wales of Wikipedia was mocked and ridiculed simply for asking for the Murder of Meredith Kercher article to be rewritten. Professor Peter Gill has been harassed by a troll called Patrick Clear who tweets as “Pataz”, retired FBI agents Jim Clemente and Steve Moore were subjected to constant online abuse and harassment for years. In 2013 Naseer Ahmad went to Italy and stalked an Italian journalist and then proceeded to obsessively write and tweet about him for 12 months. The Italian journalist wasn’t the first victim of Ahmad, believe it or not, on his blog he openly admits to following Shirley MacLean into a female toilet — “because he wanted to talk to her”.
Eccentric New Jersey pensioner Peter Quennell
One of the more disturbing bloggers who has obsessively written about Amanda Knox since 2008 is a guy called Peter Quennell. Quennell is an eccentric New Jersey pensioner who one blogger recently described as an online sex predator after emails came to light in 2011 of his communication with a young woman who reported him to the police for stalking and harassment.
Peter Quennell in 2009 traveled to the University of Washington which Knox attended to “get a look” at the place where she studied. It’s also believed on that trip he went to the Knox family home for a look. Quennell also admitted traveling to Boise State to where Professor Greg Hampikian works. Hampikian is the DNA expert from the Idaho Innocence Project who spoke out against the reliability of the DNA evidence. Quennell also admitted on his “True Justice” blog to looking up where Francesco Sollecito (Raffaele’s father) lived using Google Earth and researching which routes he might have taken to work.
Author Nina Burleigh wrote about receiving emails from Quennell where he said he was going to “train his scope” on her apartment in Manhattan, and closed emails with “how are the kiddies?”
Ahmad and Quennell are clearly lunatics who need professional psychiatric help.
I’ll be writing more about the hate group and the fringe websites they operate over coming weeks.
A complete translation of Yulia’s article is posted below. Translation courtesy of AlexK. For more information about the case visit Injustice In Perugia and Amanda Knox Case.
Amanda Knox and the Rules of the Big Lie
by Yulia Latynina
On September 7, 2015, Italy’s court of appeals (analogous to the Supreme Court) published its ruling in the case of Amanda Knox, an American, and her boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, who had been accused of murdering Meredith Kercher, a British student. The court used rather strong expressions. Not only did it fully acquit Knox and Sollecito but wrote of “astonishing weakness” and “glaring errors” of the prosecution. So ended the saga that had lasted for almost eight years.
The case of Amanda Knox is not merely an amazing detective story. It also provides striking evidence that one person’s evil will can deform people’s lives and create a myth that tens of thousands of other people would believe.
Let’s start.
The Murder
The Cottage
On November 1, 2007, in a small cottage in Perugia, an Italian town, Meredith Kercher, a British exchange student, was found dead. Her housemate, Amanda Knox, an American, was not at the cottage that night: she spent it at the apartment of her boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito. They had dinner, watched a movie, had fund in bed and smoked marijuana. Everyone smoked marijuana in the house and grew it right in the yard.
When Amanda came back home in the morning, she saw that the door was ajar and there were traces of blood on the bathroom floor. Amanda thought it was menstrual blood from one her housemates, and took a shower. In general, Amanda was a rather carefree soul. She was twenty; she changed boyfriends like gloves, and even while working at the bar (she had a side job at a bar owned by a certain Patrick Lumumba) she kept flirting with young men all the time. On her MySpace page, she had a picture of herself in a miniskirt, holding a Gatling gun.
Gatling or no Gatling, but when no one answered her call, Amanda began to worry. She started calling Meredith and knocking on the door of her room. Then she called Raffaele, and he called the police. When the cops broke the door open, they saw Meredith’s dead body at once. Her throat had been cut. Meredith had been raped; her things were strewn all over the floor; everything around her was stained with blood. There were bloody shoe prints on the floor and a bloody palm print on the pillow shoved under Meredith’s hips; there was also blood on the girl’s purse, from which, as investigators later found out, credit cards 300 Euros and went missing.
Perugia is a quiet town. Murders don’t happen often there. The previous one was twenty years before Meredith’s death, the next one would be in 2013. That’s why all the police bosses of the town flocked to the scene at once, and so did prosecutor Giuliano Mignini. They did not have much experience investigating murders – for lack of such – but prosecutor Mignini quickly figured out that Meredith Kercher had been killed by Amanda Knox and her co-conspirators during a Satanic orgy.
Later, prosecutor Mignini dropped the word “Satanic” and started talking about a sexual orgy.
Amanda and Raffaele were subjected to surveillance, and soon it bore fruit. The prosecutors found a great piece of evidence. Exactly the day after the murder, Amanda and Raffaele went to a popular underwear store and bought a pair of strings.
“We’re going to have crazy sex!” said Raffaele, kissing Amanda.
The videotape from the shop was leaked to the press, and the prosecution triumphantly declared it had solved the murder, committed by a vamp, a devil with the face of an angel.
It was not the first time that Prosecutor Mignini had investigated Satanic murders. He was a great expert, as it were, at Satanic murders.
Prosecutor Mignini’s investigations
Prosecutors Mignini and Comodi
In the 1970s and 1980s, a maniac was active in the environs of Florence. He was nicknamed the Monster of Florence. He killed lovers and sliced up the women. He murdered eight couples in total. The serial killer’s identity has never been established.
In October 1985, Dr. Francesco Narducci’s corpse was found in a lake near Perugia. A court declared it a suicide.
In 2001, six [16?] years after Narducci’s death, prosecutor Mignini decided that the Monster of Florence and Dr. Narducci were connected. Mignini made up his mind that Narducci was part of the Satanic sect that killed women to use their body parts in ritual black masses. Narducci, the prosecutor believed, stored those body parts at home, and was killed to keep him mum.
Although all of the Monster’s victims were killed with the same gun, the prosecutor decided that different people were responsible. He ordered Narducci’s body dug out. With the body exhumed, prosecutor Mignini decided that it was not sufficiently decomposed, and declared that it had been replaced. When genetic testing showed that it was Narducci’s body after all, the prosecutor said it had been swapped one more time.
Eventually, prosecutor Mignini charged 20 people – including civil servants and policemen – with being part of the sector. A judge threw the case out.
Just as Mignini was selflessly battling his first satanic cult, two journalists – Mario Spezi and Douglas Preston – were working on a book about the Monster of Florence. To their misfortune, they thought Mignini’s theory was nonsense.
In 2006, Preston and Spezi were arrested. Mignini interrogated Preston for several hours. He told Preston that he was a Satanist and an accessory to the murders. He threatened Preston, saying he would never see his loved ones again. Preston’s knees were trembling, as he recalls. Eventually Preston was forced out of Italy. As for Spezi, he was far less lucky: he was simply locked up in jail for three weeks without any pretext, until astonished journalists and freedom-of-speech activists started writing one letter of protest after another.
Mignini, the prosecutor, freed Spezi, the journalist, but signatories of the letters in Spezi’s defense ended up on a blacklist. This blacklist came to light when authorities searched Mignini’s own computer while investigating Miginini himself for illegally wiretapping and searching people he tried to intimidate during the Monster of Florence inquiry.
The blacklist found on Mignini’s compute included, for instance, an ex-mayor of Florence, his deputy and a minister of environmental protection. All of them were preventing Mignini from tackling those who prevented him from tackling the satanic cult. Surely they were members of the cult, too.
In other words, when Mignini solved the satanic murder of Meredith Kercher, he was under investigation himself.
Amanda’s confession
Lead Investigator Giobbi testified hearing screams from Amanda Knox during her interrogation
As has been said, the prosecution concluded that Amanda and Raffaele killed Meredith during a sexual orgy. Prosecutor Mignini has one problem though. The killer left traces in Meredith’s room. Plenty of traces. Sperm, DNA, fingerprints, shoe prints. And that was not the DNA of Amanda or Raffaele. There were no traces of them in the room.
Prosecutor Mignini found a simple solution to that puzzle: Amanda and Raffaele were not alone. A third person was with them. Cops interrogated Amanda Knox for 53 hours. First in a friendly way – we only want to help you – then harsher and harsher. They kept pressuring her, yelled at her and even – so she says – clouted her twice. Of course these are only Amanda’s words. The police had a chance to disprove them by presenting a video of the interrogation but no video was provided.
They shoved Amanda’s phone with an SMS in her face. The message had been sent to the owner of the bar where she worked, Patrick Lumumba. Patrick was letting her know she was not needed in the bar that night; Amanda replied, “See you later.”
According to the prosecution’s “brilliant” insight, it did not mean “bye” but a secret agreement to meet again to have a sexual orgy and kill Meredith. Amanda was assured that Raffaele had confessed everything. The cops kept showing her the cell phone. “Look, you were going to meet someone. Who’s that? Confess,” they demanded.
Amanda Knox, with her weakness for men and g-strings, could not stand the pressure. She was high on marijuana on the night of the murder and did not remember well what happened to her. She signed a confession and said she had sent the message to her boss Patrick Lumumba. To arrest Lumumba, a procession of seven police cars set out, glittering like a Christmas tree. The police broke into his house, dragged him out of bed, yelling “black swine,” and started pressuring him, like they had Amanda.
At that point, however, a problem presented itself. First, Lumumba had a 100% alibi: he was at the bar all night. Second, the killer’s DNA did not match Lumumba’s.
Rudy Guede
The Killer Rudy Guede
It wasn’t hard to identify the murderer of Meredith Kercher. His name was Rudy Guede; he was a native of Ivory Coast and a career burglar. In Perugia alone, this man had committed at least six burglaries before the murder. Christian Tramontano had come to the precinct four times to report a young black guy who broke into his place holding a knife and stole five Euros [?] and three credit cards – but each time, the police ignored him. Tramontano also named the burglar: Rudy Guede.
That way or another, Rudy’s fingerprints ended up on the file after one of the burglaries. To identify the owner of the bloody fingerprints at the murder scene was easy. Rudy was put on a wanted list, and vigilant ticket-checkers took him off the train in Germany, as he was travelling without a ticket. Rudy was superficially acquainted with Meredith and Amanda. He had met them in the street and had been to their house a few times.
Rudy Guede was caught. Only his traces, his prints, his sperm and DNA were at the scene of crime. His DNA was everywhere: in the victim’s vagina, in her anus, on her clothes, in the blood, on the body. From the 400 DNA samples taken from the crime location, 100 belonged to Rudy. At that moment, prosecutor Mignini could still turn back and say that the crime was solved. That the career burglar Rudy Guede threw a stone against the second-floor window, broke the window, climbed up and opened the window through the broken glass (this is how Rudy had gotten into other houses); then, finding her at home, raped and killed her and stole from her.
But prosecutor Mignini had invested too much in the case. He had already declared the orgy sensationally solved and the burglary staged. If Amanda had been freed, he would have to answer for the insane accusations. His reputation would have suffered, and considering the earlier satanic investigation, it might have sunk to the bottom altogether.
That’s why the prosecution advanced a new theory. Meredith was killed during an orgy in which Rudy Guede, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito took part. But why was there no DNA from Amanda and Raffaele at the crime scene, you may ask? It’s very simple. They destroyed all the traces of their DNAs. But they left Rudy’s. The prosecution was unfazed by the fact that it would have been physically impossible.
How the murderer became the principal witness for the prosecution
The prosecution had a problem with their new version, too. Whatever way you looked at it, prosecutor Mignini did not have the tiniest bit of factual proof to support it.
Instead, the prosecutor now had a witness. A real live witness who saw everything with his very eyes and was ready to confirm that Amanda was the murderer.
That incomparable witness was the true murderer, Rudy Guede. Without batting an eyelash, he told the court that he had not killed Meredith. He only had sex with her out of mutual desire (which was not exactly confirmed by tests) and anyway, he was in the bathroom when that bitch Amanda suddenly went rabid. Rudy Guede touchingly depicted for the court his horror at seeing Meredith with a slit throat and the way she reached her arms out to him, dying, in a silent plea for help.
In any adversarial trial, this testimony would be subject to a challenge so the prosecution resorted to a simple trick. Rudy Guede was tried separately, as he admitted his guilt and struck a deal with the investigators.
He received 16 years for the “right” testimony. At the next trial, Amanda’s and Raffaele’s, prosecutor Mignini acted as Rudy Guede’s defender. He said it was dishonest to accuse a man that could not defend himself, and the court barred Rudy’s cross-examination.
Public Opinion
How could society accept that insane situation? A situation when prosecutors conspire with the obvious murderer to lock up the innocent?
The answer is simple: society was well prepared. Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were convicted in the papers before the trial started. Every baker in the city of Perugia knew they were the murderers. Well-organized leaks to the media painted Amanda Knox as a crazed she-devil wallowing in affairs with men, in sex and drugs. Knox is a “natural-born killer,” said the prosecutor Mignini. Grounds? None. Amanda was a typical student of her generation, saucy, weak-willed, weed-smoking. Her computer could have confirmed it but the prosecution accidentally destroyed the hard drive. Moreover, the prosecution accidentally destroyed the hard drives in all the three computers, Meredith’s, Amanda’s and Raffaele’s.
Of course there was the problem of totally missing DNA traces from the defendants at the crime scene. But that problem was easily solved, too: in November 2007 a “source from the investigation” told Richard Owen, a reporter with The Times, that Amanda had bought a detergent in a store the morning after the crime, and that the receipts had been found during a search. Even the exact time of the receipts was named: 8:30 and 9:15 am. In his next piece, Owen wrote that the whole cottage had been cleaned with a detergent and that police caught Amanda and Raffaele on the doorstep with a bucket and a mop in their hands. All of that was pure bunkum: there were no receipts, no mop, no detergent. But all of Perugia was talking about it: “The prosecution has found the receipts! They are guilty!”
Something unbelievable was happening to the press. While Amanda was in jail, she was told that she had AIDS and instructed to make a full list of her lovers. She named seven people. The list was leaked to the press at once. But even that was not enough and the prosecution merely resorted to perjury at the trial.
Experts’ perjury
During the very first search at Raffaele Sollecito’s a knife was seized from the kitchen. It is not known why that knife was chosen. One of the policemen declared later that he had picked that knife by relying on his intuition. It was a rather odd declaration for policemen without experience in murder investigations and unable to record a case of burglary after four attempts.
Nevertheless, the knife was seized and Amanda’s DNA was found on its handle, naturally – she often cooked at Raffaele’s apartment. The problem is that neither the victim’s blood nor traces of her DNA were found on the blade of the knife.
These results did not satisfy the prosecutors. That’s why search parameters were broadened. Still no DNA showed up. The parameters were broadened again and again. Finally, traces of DNA appeared on the blade – so microscopic that the DNA could belong to anybody, including, for example, a judge hearing the appeal. At the trial, the expert witness Patrizia Stefanoni testified under oath, unperturbed, that she had found the victim’s DNA on the knife. The defense lawyers were denied access to the test file.
From the 400 DNA samples taken from the crime scene, not one belonged to Amanda or Raffaele. The prosecution continued to look for Raffaele’s DNA. More samples were taken time and again. At last, 47 days and an unknown number of searches later, the police found Meredith’s bra clasp with a piece of cloth at the crime scene.
The cloth had Rudy’s DNA all over it. There were tiny traces of someone else’s DNA on the clasp. The same story repeated itself: test parameters were broadened until it was possible to say that it could be Raffaele Sollecito’s DNA.
It is quite possible that it was his DNA indeed. It was present in such a nano-quantity that it could have been brought in with a dust particle in those 47 days – Raffaele had often been to the cottage. Or, perhaps, Raffaele slept with Meredith a fortnight or so before the tragedy. Regardless, Stefanoni testified at the trial that Sollecito’s DNA had been found at the crime scene.
Another expert witness, Dr. Lorenzo Rinaldi, said without hesitation that the bloody print of a bare foot left by the murderer on the small mat in the bathroom corresponded to a width of 66.7 mm and was too wide for Rudy Guede but a perfect fit for Raffaele Sollecito. The print corresponded to a width of 55.2 mm and belonged to Rudy Guede, and it was hard to imagine how a professional expert could make such a rough error in measuring the print.
Patrick Lumumba crosses over to the prosecution’s side
Professional victim Patrick Lumumba
But this is not all.
One of the prosecution’s most vulnerable spots was Patrick Lumumba’s experience. Whichever way you looked at it, for two days they were beating information out of Amanda at the precinct – and finally dug up dirt on a man with a perfect alibi. Patrick Lumumba sued the police and told of being pressured.
But…
If prosecutor Mignini did not know how to solve crimes, he had a different gift, no less precious: he knew how to make everyone around him to share his point of view. Patrick Lumumba was contacted, and suddenly became a star witness for the prosecution. Now he was accusing not the prosecutor’s office but Amanda Knox, the evil she-demon who had intentionally poured dirt on an innocent man. He even claimed that Knox slandered him because she got fired, although the message he sent on the night of the murder was about her work and showed that he had not fired her. “The American told lies about the bar owner to protect the true killer,” papers wrote.
It was easy and pleasant to speak out against Amanda. But there was zero tolerance for those who tried to defend her. When Amanda Knox stated at her trial that she had experienced pressure, prosecutor Mignini immediately opened a new case against her, for libel. When Amanda’s parents repeated her claim, a case was opened against them. Mignini initiated a total of 11 cases against those who did would not write the right stuff.
On December 5, 2009, the court in Perugia sentenced Amanda to 26 years, and her friend Raffaele, to 25, for a murder committed during a sexual orgy, for theft and slander. Yes, Amanda, among other things, was officially convicted of calunnia – the false accusation of Patrick Lumumba. She was also convicted of stealing 300 Euros and credit cards from Meredith’s purse, although there were bloody fingerprints of Rudy Guede’s in the purse and neither DNA nor fingerprints of Amanda.
The case against Amanda and Raffaele was heard by two professional judges and six lay judges, de-facto jurors – common people who sat for 11 months, read newspapers, chatted with neighbors and were, naturally, convinced well ahead of the trial by the most obvious and clear proof of the defendants’ guilt presented to the press by sources close to the investigation.
In 2010, Knox received an additional term – a year in prison – for slandering the police.
Appeals and Cassation
Italian courts are famous for the abundance of judgments quashed by higher courts. Two years later, October 3, 2011, an appeals court chaired by Claudio Hellmann and Massimo Zanetti found Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito not guilty of murder. Amanda left Italy, having served four and a half years. The appellate court left the sentence for accusing Patrick Lumumba in effect so it appeared that Amanda had served her time for a good reason.
The prosecutors were not giving up. On January 30, 2014, judge Nencini of the supreme court of cassation found Amanda and Raffaele guilty of murder again. By that time, all the experts’ conclusions regarding DNA and footprints had been discredited, and the court did not take them into consideartion. Judge Nencini found Amanda and Raffaele guilty of murder on the basis of Rudy Guede’s testimony. In his ruling, Nencini explained that their DNA was absent from the scene of crime because they had destroyed it.
And then, finally, in March 2015, by the same supreme court of cassation, but this time on appeal, Amanda and Raffaele were ultimately found not guilty. The ruling was published on September 7. The five-judge panel accused the investigators of “glaring errors,” “investigative amnesia,” “sensational gaps” and “deliberate omissions” regarding the means of obtaining evidence.
The logic of the big lie
The case of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito is only a particular case in a world engulfed by falsification, but that’s what makes it interesting.
The prosecution in Amanda’s case was guided neither by improperly understood state interests, nor by hateful imperial paranoia, nor by the crowd’s religious fanaticism. It was about penny-cheap interests of a small group of people, prosecutor Mignini primarily. The social hysteria that arose around this case provides a fine demonstration – free from government interference – of how easily reality can be tailored to one’s interest, and an excellent example of what happens then.
First, the lie must be big. Only a big lie can recruit passionate followers. If prosecutor Mignini had accused Amanda Knox of stealing boots, it would have hardly become an article of faith.
Apart from that, a big lie is capable of absorbing all the contradictions. Had Mignini simply accused an average female student of murder, at once it would have been clear that it wasn’t true. But a “natural-born killer” who manipulated men like a juggler and a nightmarish death during a sexual orgy – this giant accusation swallowed all the contradictions.
For example, the fact that the investigators started by forcing Amanda into accusing an innocent Patrick Lumumba should have completely discredited both prosecutor Mignini and his theories and methods. But a big lie has a surprising way of absorbing any facts, and the coerced testimony against Lumumba not only failed to discredit the investigators in the end but, on the contrary, became one of the cornerstones of the prosecution’s case, as evidence of Amanda Knox’s mendaciousness and rottenness.
Second, the lie must generate co-conspirators. The most puzzling in this case is experts’ behavior. What did expert witness Stefanoni think while looking, time and again, for Meredith’s DNA on a knife that had no traces of Meredith’s blood?
Her behavior is a good example of people often betraying the truth not in critical circumstances but merely because it is more convenient. And even more often, of trying to convince themselves that what is the most convenient is the truth. After all, Stefanoni could have falsified the results outright. She could have taken Meredith’s blood and transferred it onto the knife. But instead of that, she kept broadening the search parameters, leaving behind a wide trail but minimizing the scope of her lying.
Just one unbalanced man wielding power – prosecutor Mignini with his fantasies about sex, Satan and dismembering women – managed to captivate with his vision a large number of quite professional people and to create within Perugia’s small police and expert community a climate in which any doubt of Amanda’s and Raffaele’s guilt was perceived as heresy.
Naseer Ahmad claims to be the “Messiah Jesus Christ” from a planet called “Atlan”
And, finally, prosecutor Mignini managed to convince, if not million, hundreds of thousands of people of his fantasy. One of the striking facts I have not so far mentioned is the enormous number of Internet freaks, the countless sites exposing Amanda Knox the “satanist.” Actually, some of the “experts” on those sites are housewives posing as professional mentalists serving with the CIA; and from time to time, a certain “Messiah Jesus Christ” from planet Atlan would flash in their midst like a dazzling diamond.
This, by the way, tells us that there are no different kinds of paranoia. There is one universal paranoia, and one freak will always lend support to another. But all those people are extraordinarily sincere, assertive and, most importantly, they – with singular obstinacy – keep generating messages capable of convincing even an unbiased public of the truth of their case.
A perfect example of this is the story of Amanda Knox’s Wikipedia page. For a few years, the page had been authored exclusively by freaks, who reprinted, as the pure truth, all the particularly insane rumors leaked to the press. Eventually Wikipedia’s founder Jimmy Wales interfered himself. On his orders, the article was rewritten, after which the anti-Knoxians accused Wales… right, of distorting the truth because of his sexual interest in Amanda.
The big lie. Enlisting co-conspirators in this lie, who would build their status on it, so the higher the status, the higher the stakes in the game. Total intimidation of everyone who disagrees with your point of view, so that the lazy would shrug their shoulders and say, “better leave them alone.” Turning this lie into articles of faith to galvanize groups of freaks, seeking no monetary gain yet very assiduous, translating the lie further out.
Normally, we believe that this would require un-freedom, a totalitarian regime and, more generally, a special kind of cynicism prevalent in society. As we can see, lies are capable of crystallizing – with destructive results – even in a perfectly free society. Orwell is closer than we think.
Any society on the planet is two steps from Orwell.
Very nice summary. Concise and factual. The “freaks” are downright scary. One other thought. What are the ties between the prosecutor and the lawyer for the victim’s family? The civil case is tried with the criminal case. The civil lawyer is not interested in criminal justice, but a monetary verdict. This is not cynicism, but reality. A civil case is about a monetary judgment, with fees built in for the lawyer. The lawyer takes on the risk of a not liable verdict, which would result in nonpayment of fees. (Let’s face it–who wants to work hard without being paid?). But that places the interest of the two lawyers against the interests of the family (in some cases). The family wants the truth. The lawyers want a guilty verdict/money judgment. Where does that factor into the long and twisting road of this case?
Oh? I’m not afraid of them in the least. I find them kind of amusing nowadays.
No need to worry muffin , this is Ground Report , any comments relating to the SC finding AK was present and Guede didn’t act alone will be deleted. I’m not going to waste my time then have half my comments deleted like the last piece.
I know. It seems you jerks have a problem on websites you don’t own.
Owning does allow for content censorship it seems. Propaganda Is a dish best served alone.
Uh, you do know that those hate sites this article mentioned routinely purge any feedback that support Ms. Knox and then perma-ban whoever leaves them, right? (In other words, you should talk.) It’s not censorship, btw. A blog is private property, and you have to abide by the rules set by the mods. Insults and threats towards other posters is NOT allowed.
With all due respect, it is censorship. But the owner of any blog has the right to censor the contents.
That’s what I said in my other post. (This site is a blog too. The haters don’t like sites where posters are allowed to disagree with them.)
And you don’t have to say “with do respect”. That’s the term you use when you disagree with your superior. (Of course, most officers in the military know that someone saying it doesn’t mean any respect at all and would LOVE to say, “You’re out of your *** mind.”
Very funny. But I do mean with respect. There are others I disagree with that I don’t respect at all.
Dylan, the comments on the article you are referring to were removed because they violated the rules of this website. Comments were removed from posters on both sides of the debate. Personal attacks are not permitted. Opposing views are certainly welcome here.
Alright then, now get to work and delete this comment by GeorgeHanshaw1 and then permanently ban him:
“It is over. They are acquitted. Not just AGAIN, but finally. You are
delusional. Take your medicine. That’s what the voices have been
trying to tell you.”
https://www.groundreport.com/blog-russia-naseer-ahmad-internet-freaks-obsessed-amanda-knox/#comment-2292320301
If you don’t then you’re just a hypocrite.
Mr. Fischer, please get rid of this guy.
Can you explain why calling Mignini a moron or Stefanoni a confirmed liar are allowed to stand? Here is a comment of mine deleted.
” Why does the English translation of the report have such serious errors, it translates “ineccepibile” as “unacceptable” when in fact it means the opposite correct or water tight? Also “e dato” a present tense is translated “was” in reference to the court’s belief in Amanda’s presence at the cottage during the night. Who besides the author is responsible for translating and approving the English version? The changes appear to be strategic and are misleading.
I think alot of the comments that were deleted were slanderous in nature, calling Amanda and Raffaelle guilty of murder when they were found “Did not commit the act”.
My comments were deleted which said no such thing. BTW was Stefanoni charged with being a confirmed liar ? Was that you who posted that ?
No that was not me, however I can give you the reference where the final motivation classified her role in the case:
“guilty omissions”
The comment section you are referring to was completely out of control. There is no doubt that some comments just got caught in the shuffle as it was cleaned up. Instead of harping on the past why not post your thoughts here today?
Dylan, although supporting the wrong side of history, usually does enguage in some form of dialogue, and does contribute with examples and questions. Does not seem to be they typical cut and paste guilter
This article is so riddled with errors and libellous statements its hard to understand its value in an honest debate. Does the author know the difference between a nano spec and 200 pictograms of DNA?
Do you? Since neither of those terms are scientific measurements.
200 picograms a healthy sample is not a nano spec. The extra t isn’t enough to excuse what the author wrote, that is if honesty were important.
200 picograms is smaller than a nanogram (in fact, one-fifth of a nanogram). An average dust particle, which flies in air, is 66 times heavier than 200 picograms. Not sure what you are trying to prove?
To clarify the author wrote of the nano-quality being so small it could have been brought in on a speck of dust. It was a healthy sample identifying the complete profile of RS. Argue contamination if you must but please don’t support the fabrication of the author on the amount .
I’m not sure how you are coming up with 200 Picograms of anything. Stefanoni’s workwas of such poor quality that she hid most her work. She also hid the negative TMB results. Now why would she do either of these things? What was Stefanoni hiding?
Hardly credible evidence.
That amount was found to be on the clasp . The defense has said its the result of contamination. You won’t have to research too much to find it. Try to stay on topic it may help you. The defense has tried to suggest the bagged knife stored in a calendar box( not belonging to Meredith ) was the source of the contamination. The door knob and gloves were also suggested. Everyone agreed it was his DNA however. The other partial samples were considered to be standard debris normally found.
Actually you are wrong on all your remarks. It was not just the defense that said it was probably contamination, this was the conclusion of court appointed experts Conti and Vechioti, world renowned DNA expert and the father of DNA forensics Dr. Peter Gill as well as the Italian Supreme Court. That is good enough for me.
Conti and Vecchetti were defense experts who have had their lab closed due to dirty conditions. They also did not want to test the last sample which turned out to be another belonging to Amanda. The court of Cassation didn’t say it was probable contamination. They did however feel due to the delay in collection and no double testing the results were not reliable. Errors made means those items cannot be verified is not the same as probable contamination BTW. Professor Gil may be an expert but he was mislead into thinking the knife was stored in a box belonging to Meredith which had been at the cottage. You can relax though the items have been disqualified by Cassation.
Totally false. CV were NOT defense experts. They were appointed by the Hellman court. The rest of your post is false.
But tell me this. What do you think you are accomplishing by arguing this case for the thousandth time now that the Supreme Court has ruled? You do know that it will never be tried again. You’re not under the delusion that this murder case will see the inside of a young courtroom again?
CV were seen socializing with the Sollecito’s . They did turn out to be not without fault . Why are you here when the case is over? My issue is with an honest account of the case. The translation has to be correct and people have to accept what the motivational report actually says. Amanda has been declared not guilty due to insufficient evidence and in particular nothing found in the bedroom. The determination that Guede didn’t act alone means there were others. Whether Amanda only had knowledge of what went on has been speculated on by the SC. The botched case means these questions are never going to be answered to everyone’s satisfaction.
Being polite to someone is hardly “socializing”
. Most of the rest of your post is a lie. Maybe it’s not deliberate but it’s still false, You are still selling to the world that they are guilty. I agree that the court speculated that they might have been involved. This is what is known as a hypothetical.
“Speculated” means nothing. They had no choice but to say that Rudy did not act alone. This was determined bizarrely as a judicial fact in Rudy Guede’s fast track trial and it went uncontested. Interestingly all experts save one who testified at the Knox Sollecito trial said either that the murder was the work if a single perpetrator or that they could not rule out that it was the work of a single assailant.
You will never be satisfied. You were sold on guilt a long time ago. You are just unwilling to admit it was a poor purchase. Trying to sell that to the few people who still care is a Quixotic endeavor.
Instead of making emotionally charged statements like “unwilling to admit” and “sold on guilt”. Understand we simply don’t see things the same way. The report will translated properly in full in the future which will be important for anyone interested in the case.
Why are those “emotionally charged statements”? They seem very benign to me. That the nutsos at the hate sites will be twisting the words of the acquittal in a bizarre and pathetic attempt to morph it into suggesting that the court is “really saying that they are guilty” does not come as a surprise.
Who saw the Sollecitos “socializing”?? Proof is needed, btw don’t bother submitting a tabloid article or a comment from the nether regions. They are not qualified sources.
CV are ‘court appointed’ experts, not ‘defense experts.’ Throughout the entire 8.5 years of trials and appeals the defense was NEVER allowed to call an expert to review the DNA evidence specifically for them. That is against the law, btw, which highlights the prosecution’s reach in this case.
Everyone ‘agreed’ that the DNA sample matched not only Raff, as an Italian man, but also thousands of other Italian men. Hellmann said it best, “It could also be a match to me,” since those loci are so prevalent in Italy. So that fact negates Sollecito as a murderer unless one also includes thousands of other men AND the unidentified samples also found on the clasp. The “Loci Argument” is a straw man and the presence of the ‘unidentified’ male samples proves contamination. I often wondered if the other samples were the cops themselves. LOL Oops! That would be embarrassing.
She may not have been charged but she DID lie NUMEROUS times on the stand.
Really? Name 3. Go ahead. Just be able to prove your claims. I am unaware of Amanda lying on the stand at all. Go ahead, prove it.
No one is responsible for the translation, I have had Italian friends look over both the version currently available from both sources and they concluded that they hypothetical’s and the instances you take as incorrect are in aggregate, incorrect. Your version takes a great deal of lattitude in it decimination and has more inconsistiencies than any other version, not surprising given your insistance on guilt and youur lack of understanding of the presumption of innocence.
You need to be able to stick to the point. What does “ineccepibile” and “e dato” mean ? I have yet to read another full translation yet because it takes time to insure accuracy which is important .
Quote the entire passage, from the translation and from the Italian source. no one is hiding anything, show us what you are talking about
No one is responsible for the murder either, apparently.
You need to crawl out from under your rock, Rudy Guede regardless of your thoughts about Amanda and Raffaelle, is a convicted murderer doing a tragic 16 year sentence, already eligible for day release.
The credibility of my statements has nothing to do with my spelling, just the message I deliver. I understand it though, you cant refute what I say so you go for the spelling aspect, no one cares what you think of my spelling, least of all me! Why dont you attack my statement, prove me wrong, im waiting!
If you want to acctack my credibility, do it by proving my point incorrect! if not, just go away!
“Can you explain why calling Mignini a moron or Stefanoni a confirmed liar are allowed to stand?”
Statements of fact. How can that be objectionable? Like E=MC squared and the US has 50 states.
What about Alaska, Puerto Rico and Hawaii
What about them? Alaska and Hawaii are counted among the fifty. Puerto Rico is not a state.
That was meant as a joke
Five dollars and a pizza says it takes ten minutes for one of the trolls to log on and comment.
These folks are odd indeed. They brought the term ‘taken out of context’ to a whole new level
Sol, the term “taken out of context” is never an excuse. There’s really NO other way to quote someone.
Innocence groups and the unjust exonerations of Amanda Knox and Anthony Porter
http://truecrimespodcasts.com/2015/10/05/innocence-groups-and-the-unjust-exonerations-of-amanda-knox-and-anthony-porter/
It is over. They are acquitted. Not just AGAIN, but finally. You are delusional. Take your medicine. That’s what the voices have been trying to tell you.
Here we are once again so it’s not over. It never will be. Amanda Knox is a convicted felon and murderer with another felony conviction coming very soon.
Quite an appropriate name you have there, fellah. (You do know that the “lawyer” on that show is a con man, right?)
She in fact isn’t a convicted felon and nobody in the USA or Europe give a damn about Italy and their stupid slander charges so good luck with that.
Saul is right. Knox is a felon in contempt of court as she has not paid Patrick Lumumba the innocent guy she put in jail for her murder of Meredith Kercher.
Amanda didnt put anyone in jail, the Police did. When the press questioned Mignini about the convoluted ‘confession’ he said it himself that it was not what arrested Lumumba, but that they had other ‘good evidence’. No civilized country would arrest anyone on a confession like that, detain for questioning sure, but arrest , no way and that’s what they did. Lumumba should be suing the Police…
Nope her callunia conviction is final. There is absolutely nothing that the ECHR can or will do. She is a felon and a second-class citizen forevermore. She was also at the murder scene with blood on her hands. #guilty
Well, that is just fine and dandy, but to get the money, he will have to file a civil suit in the US as civil penalties do not cross international borders. If it was such a slam dunk case, he already would’ve filed and lawyers would be lining up to take it pro bono.
Until Knox pays him she remains in contempt of court. In other words, she is bound by law to pay him and can be legally detained in Europe until she does. That’s why she will never go back there.
But for her next conviction, Knox will be substantially fined and this time the collector will be the State of Italy and there will be no escape from permanent bankruptcy.
Whatever, just like all the other fantasies made up by your side, that is just another one. My favorite one was the the ” they will start turning on each other bit”..that one gave me a good laugh.
Uh, she’s not IN Europe.
The Italian court recognizes the ECHR action that Amanda has filed. her order to paty anything to Lumumba is on hold pending the results from the ECHR. So Amanda is in contempt of no court as you so erronously point out, everyone seems aware of the procedure except you!
Is this Corpus or Henney today parading as Guest? or was tha Elaine, quickly run bact to ,nut so you don’t get your wires crossed
“Saul” so have no idea about what is ‘right’ in this case, only what some PGP has imparted to him. Were I you “guest” I wouldn’t be so quick to defend the indefensible.
No, you’re so wrong. Everyone knows that Knox is a killer who walked. That’s why she is underemployed with no future whatsoever. There is no place for her in society.
Please use one account to post. No need to create a friend “guest” to give yourself support.
I guess you cant hide from your MAC/IP address, that is too funny, confirmation of what has been suspected for years!
Everyone? Not so much.
You seriously have no idea what you are talking about and nothing you said is true in the remotest sense. I don’t know where you get this “information” but you need a new informant.
Who’s everyone? You wouldn’t take that position if you paid any attention to the world media Right now if you do a Google News search you will be hard pressed to find any articles that suggest that they got away with murder. In fact, the tenor of the stories reflect the opposite. That finally Italy got it right. That the investigation was flawed. Go ahead, look for yourself.
Go to the #amandaknox hashtag on twitter and you can easily see that individual public opinion is stacked heavily against Knox. She has been completely owned by our pro justice side. You lose.
That a few obsessed Internet Freaks flood Twitter hardly proves your point.
Its their great victory (false) but let them have it. I remember prior to the ultimate ISC decision, speakeing to on of the guilt lemmings about the case. I asked him if he would be satisfied if Amanda was only ever charged with Calunnia. Under protest that “That would never happen”, “They are guilty”. he finally admitted that anything but a full murder conviction would be a failure. Funny how, they are so happy with the feable summar charge! pack of fools!
Nope. Whatever the situation in third world countries like Italy, we have freedom of speech in the US. SLANDER, EVEN IF PROVEN (and where IS that video the Perugian police were required even by ITALIAN law to take of the interrogation?) is merely a civil crime in the US. And it seems very difficult for anyone to accuse the Perugian police and the Perugian prosecutor and yes, Ms Stefanoni too, of any worse incompetence and abuse of process THAN THE ITALIAN SUPREME COURT ITSELF JUST DID.
Shouting in capital letters will not help. Knox’s felony conviction is final with the next one on the way. There is absolutely nothing you can do about this. Please don’t give yourself a grand mal infarction over it.
You said that about the murder conviction, wise guy.
The world now knows that Amanda Knox is Casey Anthony’s doppelganger. She has also been OJ’ed for life. Oh well.
Grand mal infarction? You apparently know as little about medicine as you do US law. Nobody CARES about Italian convictions. Versus coin had bungalow-bungalow parties with minors and nobody cared. Do you think anybody in the US gives a rat’s@ss about somebody being convicted of bad-mouthing insane and corrupt Italian police and minor officialdom?
If somebody hanged Mignini like they did Mussolini, NOBODY WOULD CARE.
Please don’t jump to the dark side and justify Miginin’s (Porky Pig) death in this manner, this is what the guilt side loves to do, and quite frankly, you are better than that! I don’t want anyone to die, and even if Magnini is solely responsible for Amanda and Raffaelle’s plight, no one should take solice in anothers death. I’m sure there are many that would miss this guy, surely he has a family, kids, grandchildren. You should formally appologize for this statement, even if the underlining arguments are factual.
I am not JUSTIFYING anyone’s death. Merely stating the FACT, that it would be irrelevant to US law.
And no, I really AM NOT. Better than that. Those who condone evil embrace it.
You lost me there, your referal to US supporting law is correct as I stated, but stating that Migini is somehow deserving of death or that no one would miss him if he was gone, is just vindictive and hateful. The guilt side does this with Amanda all the time, it is deloprable and you should appologize!
But I WOULDN’T miss him if he were gone. Surely you don’t want me to lie….?
“NO ONE WOULD CARE” Is not just voicing your opinion, you are speaking for ALL, and for that you should appologize
Hold your breath.
No thanks, nice to see that their are idiots on both sides, noted!
Ah, name calling if someone doesn’t agree with your opinion. How did you miss BEING a guilter? Or are you one, just playing games?
I’d actually prefer to get permanently banned than to apologize (congratulations on actually learning to spell that word by the way) to such an arrogant self-righteous wuss.
So do your worst and be done with it, you are becoming tedious.
Except there is no such thing as a Felony charge in Italy, search it yourself, Felony is a US term for crimes of a spacific nature with elevated sentences. The only distinction in Italinal law is mandatory sentences. Anything over 5 years is considered a serious crime and the additionl sanction in addition to the sentence it the exclusion of voting rights while incarcerated and the level of detention in terms of security. I think it is time the Guilt Agenga stops categorizing this Calunnia charge as a felony. The original sentence was 4 years and this was reduced to 3 years after the final motivation as it removed the agregated classification. a 3 year sentence in Italy is a summary conviction as it does not have the manditory 5+ year sentence of a serious crime.
Please answer my question from above! not really interested in your naritive unfounded opinion.
So why keep on replying? Oh that’s right, you hate the truth and you cannot escape it.
Please answer my question above!
Already answered three times now.
Internet Freaks is right. Amanda is never going to be homeless. She has family and friends that will always be there for her.
You’re wrong, she ISN’T a felon her or in Italy. She can carry on with her life, FREELY. She will never see the inside of a jail cell again.
Please answer two questions for me:
1. Is the term Felon used in the intalian judiciary?
2. Did the Latest motivation remove the agervating circumstances to the callunnia charge?
Im sorry, did you answer the question?
I asked 2 specific questions, can you anser them please!
No new story here #AmandaKnox and #RaffaeleSollecito were involved in the killing of Meredith Kercher. End of story.
Involved in what way? Involed in so much as they were once considered suspects? Involved in that they where tried for the crimes? Please spcify exactly “HOW” they where involved! Out with it, no need to hold back!
Really. There is no evidence of either of them in Meredith’s room. No evidence was presented in court proving anything other than that Amanda Knox lived in the cottage and shared a bathroom with Meredith. The ISC agreed with that
AK amd MK mixed blood and water spots all over the flat is enough
For what are the mixed DNA samples outside of Meredith’s room enough evidence? Nobody disputes that they had both been in the apartment at some time or another, but what proves that their DNA was mixed because they were deposited at the same time?
Bleeding at the same time, and diluted, meaning with water, meaning washed off and dripping.
Amandas DNA was from skin cells, which could have been deposited at any time, if it had been from blood cells then you would have a point, but that is not the evidence
The mixed DNA is very incriminating because while the argument is commonly advanced that DNA ought to be found in a bathroom, perhaps even mixed with the DNA of others, Knox’s DNA was only found in her own blood which was deposited sometime that night (Knox having testified that it was not there the day before), and mixed with samples of Meredith’s blood, either visible to the naked eye or revealed with Luminol. It is difficult to entertain the notion that the mixed traces appear as a coincidence of Knox having spit or bled at some other time only in places where Meredith’s blood would be dripped following the murder.
Likewise, if shared housing is meant to excuse the mixed trace in Romanelli’s room, it logically follows that Romanelli’s DNA should be found in her own room, which it wasn’t.
From the Motivation section 9.4.1
(describing the nature of Amanda’s DNA in the shared sink)
“while the biological traces belonging to her (Amanda) are a result of epithelial rubbing
Luminol Trace were incorrect, as the confirmatory testing using TMB found the source not to be blood.
From the Motivation section 8.1
(Describing the sources outside the murder room)
With reference to the alleged bloody traces in the other rooms, mainly in the corridor, there is even an obvious misrepresentation of evidence. Indeed the S.A.L. of the Scientific Police (acronym of “Stato Avanzamento Lavori” [State of Work Progress], stating the progression of the scientific investigations and their results) had excluded, thanks to the use of a specific chemical reagent [TMB], that the traces highlighted by luminol in the concerned rooms were of haematic nature.
Can you please stop trying to advance lies that have been proven false!
Whats wrong Joey, Don’t like the truth?
No, no mixed blood.
What difference does diluting the sample with water make? How do you prove that the two sets of DNA were deposited at the same time? Water dilution only means that water came into contact with the sample. Since the area outside Meredith’s room (including the bathroom where the diluted sample would be found) was an area where Amanda was likely to be anyhow, the mixed DNA means nothing.
I knew someone would mention that!
Still with the mixed blood myth. 8 years later and they are still repeating this lie.
They told far too many lies, and changed their stories to be innocent.
Yep, you can see refuted examples of their lies in this very comment section. there is no better way to get them to go away (or at least change names) then to reveal their lies
It IS over. Raffaele could swear that he saw her do it and it wouldn’t matter. They have both been acquitted and are free.
Were you aware that Ms Knox will be the featured speaker at a law school graduation, talking to them about wrongful convictions?
Yes, the guilt side is all over it, they cant stand that Amanda is free to do what she likes, to revel in her freedom and share her story. They are talking all about it on .nut
And yet here you are taking your just punishment up your @$$ as you should. You like it that way, don’t you? Oh and that Loyola thingy is about to be cancelled by the proper authorities. Too bad so sad! Eat shlt.
a feable respons from a feable mind. My frineds just got their tickets and confirmation that the events are still on, They even announced a few surprise guests (very famous). so I guess you are lying again!
You don’t have any “frineds” at all. #ForeverAlone
HaHaHaHaHa, such a joker! Do you base all of your opinins on your own preceived fantasy?
“frineds” is the incorrect spelling of “friends”. For your educational benefit, I have, once again, corrected you. You may thank me now.
I’ll take that as a yes, you do live in a fantastical world, a world were spelling is more important than the message behind the words. YOu are a re-tread. every time someone proves you ar lying, you run back to PMF.not so someone else can tell you how to respond (hey everyone at PMF, How you doing, is that celebritory bottle still chillin from May?). Hurring along now, scurry back so you can get spome more blanks to fire. Eventually they will stop feeding you, your making them look BAD!
That’s not a thank you reply. Please try again.
Awe, did they already cut you off, is that why you have no more comebacks, dont you hate it when Ergon logs off in the middle of you little hate rant, what to do…….What to do?
In your above sentence “you” is the incorrect spelling of “your”. You need to go to your room in the department of corrections now. You’re welcome!
“Why did the attendance list vanish? About ten registrants were listed,
some representing their law firms. The list was public until today.
Instead of responding to questions and concerns from the public, Loyola
Law School Chicago and its Alumni Program appear to be concealing information and refusing to answer reasonable questions. WHY?”
http://justice4ever.com/2015/10/01/is-amanda-knox-receiving-financial-benefits-from-loyola-law-school-after-innocence-program/
They removed the list because they did not want their members bothered by your stalking behaviour. The contstan emails, complaining about Amanda, trying to keep people away, YOur behaviour is deplorable
Nah, nobody is going. That’s all. Anyway, it is about to be investigated by some serious authorities who are not at all happy about this. It will be shut down soon. There is absolutely that you can do about this except eat it!
YOu forget this is not Italy, this is the US and there are a few amandments you need to brush up on!
Right to free speech and the right to assembly, to name a few, Good luck with your legal attemts to bar these freedoms! morons!
Your knowledge of US law is that of a flea. I’ll give you a clue though, convicted felons are not eligible to receive proceeds from US universities and colleges. And it doesn’t matter where their crime was committed. Trust me on this one, that luncheon thingy will be shut down very soon and Loyola will then be audited. Too bad so sad.
having lost in the real world, you take solace in your delusions. How quaint.
Guede could clear this up – just reveal who ws with him when they killed MK. So the evidence all points to AK and RS, but the ISC didn’t want to confirm the guilty verdict. I wonder who it was that was with Rudy that night…
Do you think anyone would believe him? He has yet to tell even a remotely credible story. He is never going to own up to his actions. If he implicated Amanda and Raffaele, no one that supports the two innocents would believe him and if he ever exonertes them the guilters would claim that he was gotten to in some way.
No, he can never be believable.
Rudy cant be trusted as far as he can throw a rock (See what I did there), Ok bad example, he can throw a rock pretty far. Rudy’s silence speaks volumes, not only from the trial but also after the motivation, nothing, crickets…………..He know rightfully so that he will go down in history as the sole asailaint in the rape and murder of Meredith Kercher (RIP)
I really don’t see why Rudy would ever come clean at this point. There is very little to gain and very much to lose. Think about it. Imagine if Rudy at this point said “Amanda and Raffaele” had nothing to do with Meredith’s murder. It was me all alone!” Does anyone think that the citizens or more importantly that the authorities in Italy will “appreciate” this? No, many professionals will in fact be very angry. He will have made them look foolish in one of the most public trials in Italian history.
He will never do this while he is in Italy, more likely when they kick him out after his sentence is completed. He will eventually speak once given a forum and no lawyer to shut him up. Im sure he will make up some fantastice story, no doubt to capitalize financially on his 15 minutes of fame. He will tell whichever story will get him the most $$, and you know what that will be.
Maybe, but will they kick him out of Italy? He has lived in Italy most of his life. I can’t see another European nation taking him in. I’m sure Italy doesn’t want him. Still, I would imagine deporting him might be a challenge .
He is not an Italian citizen so I guess they can do whatever they want with him. I dint know what he will do or where he will go, considering he is the lone guilty person in the Meredith Kercher murder, and I am sure people will remember who he is and what he did!
The evidence points away from Amanda and Raffaelle, that is the contraditction that the motivation references and corrects
Frank Sfarzo: Ex prosecutor Gherardo Colombo: “I’ve read the motivations of the #AmandaKnox case and: an investigation is needed”
Indeed. Did you ask Frank just WHAT Colombo believes needs to be investigated? May pay too. *Hint* It wont be what you are hoping for.
They are going to investigate the actions of the prosecutor and Perugian police. They want answer’s as to why Amanda and Raffaelle where charged with so little evidence, they want to know why Italy spent millions on such a bad case!
#FBI expands probe of #HillaryClinton’s email will soon uncover more on the #amandaknox murder scandal
HAHAHA!!! Raffaele has just turned on Amanda once again by saying on Italian National TV “I cannot swear on Amanda’s innocence.” I LOVE IT!!!
He said he only “swears” to his parents, and then goes on to state that just like him, she innocent, that there are no traces of Amanda in Merediths room, Pick and choose all you like, anything short of Raffaelle calling Amanda the killer, is useless, especially when taken out of context. Same tired old assertions, still waiting 9 years later for Raffaelle to turn on Amanda. You classify the guy as one of the biggest liers on the planet, but wait with baited breath, hanging on every word he says, hoping he will say something agains Amanda, Raffaelle is and will always remain Honour Bound, to the truth!
Cry all you want. It’s now all out there for the whole world to see. HAHA!!! He already threw her under the bus last summer with his press conference. Now Knox is old burnt toast and he will drop her further into the garbage pit with his new upcoming book entitled “A Step Into The NIght”. Even the title is pretty damning for Knox. It totally sucks to be Knox. I LOVE IT!!! It’s like two snakes eating each other. 🙂
Who was it that said it’s “over”. Oh that’s right it was you. Well, obviously, you were wrong yet again. LMFAO!!! 🙂
Thank god everyone can go confirm what he actually said! That Amanda did not kill Meredith, why dont you report that part? Forget it I already know why. Amanda has been aquitted of Merediths murder, that is a judicail truth you need to just accept as it is above reproach. “They did not commit the act” Its plain and simple, The have not, nor will they ever turn on each other, to do so would be a lie. So soory for you that you cant grasp simple judicial fact!
Sollecito will not swear #AmandaKnox is innocent, in latest interview, only that they slept together that night. Why the doubt?
Nope that is consistient with his testimony, they were together the whole night. He fell asleep at some point in the evening and when he woke up the next morning Amanda was still there. YOu may want to actually read what he said next time!
It’s good to see that this world wide news of Raffaele throwing her under the bus again bothers you. It should. Oh yeah, his next book is coming soon too. Enjoy!
Nope, he says there is no trace of Amanda in Merediths room ,and
therfore could not have killed Meredith. You can even verify this on
your .nut site, they are saying the same thing. The fact that you can
not account for someone in your presence when you are sleeping is hardly
a news story. Raffaelle ,aserts and believes in Amanda’s innocence.
nice try though, your group has been waiting for Raffaelle to flip on
Amanda for 9 years and even after a final motivation that enede in
aquittal, your still waiting. Good Luck! Trust me whe people with an agenda tell lies that are easily refutable, I love it, like shooting fish in a barrel!
Jessie Dotson
Who is Jesse Dotson?
Here is the loose Google translation:
“I swear to myself, of course I disagree with any hypothesis that can be formulated on the guilt of Amanda. I can not swear to other people, maybe I would do for my parents but for others not. ” He said Raffaele Sollecito transmission La7 ‘Otto e mezzo’ when asked whether swear that Amanda and ‘innocent. “She slept with me that night,” he added.
And on their existing relationships Sollecito said: “With Amanda are on
good terms, sometimes we felt after the last judgment, I still
occasional reports, and ‘remained a pleasant knowledge, however I have
only known her five days. It truly was an interlude of life that has’ turned into a nightmare. ” As for Meredith Sollecito he stressed that “justice had been done, I think the responsible and’ detained ‘. “Do not forget that there is Rudy Guede and that ‘held in jail,” he said.
Speaking of parents of Meredith, who do not believe they have received
justice, Sollecito added: “Personally I can not understand what it means
to lose a child but I have lost my mother when I was 21 and I know the
pain I felt, I know what it means having to deal with that pain and know
that you can not ‘go back and I can guarantee that in this story the
things are quite clear, moreover there is no trace in the scene of the
crime that is different from the track of Guede.
So don’t believe these vindictive trolls!
I quote the source article that refutes your lies and that is the best you can do? Very sad
If that article is a misrepresentation of the information you relying on then I suggest you give us the source you find to be correct, if not, you are just blowing smoke! It is obvious by your summary rebuttals that you have no clue about the case and are just repeating lies that someone has fed to you. Ver sad that you are completly unable to put fort an arguments and then have it stand up to even basic scrutiny.
“Ver” is the incorrect spelling of “very”. Get back to us after you graduate. God it sucks to be you!
Again, your ony job here is to correct spelling, what a sad little person, you know your speelling comments are completel ignored and all that leaves are my factual comments, so you keep going on about spelling, my message is getting out there, silly boy!
You have nothing to add, no chance of you posting anything of substance so ver easily ignored, thanks you made that easy, goodbye troll!
When Knox implicated Patrick, investigators were immediately suspicious because of Amanda’s ‘selective recall’. One might also refer to it as ‘selective amnesia’; just as she could remember specific things, she could also not remember specific things. Juxtapose this very specific memory with very specific blanks, and what you have is a kind of chessboard memory, except nowhere near as symmetrical
The most glaring memory-on/memory-off ruse is the one she concocted about hearing Meredith scream; then she goes blank and wakes up in her boyfriend’s bed.
Think about it. One minute she’s at the villa and Meredith is being killed [not by her, by someone else], the next she wakes up in her boyfriend of barely-a-week’s bed. We’re not told anything more. Did Patrick hug and kiss afterward, or go out for drinks, did they high-five each other, did Amanda wash dishes at the villa whilst in the kitchen, did Patrick take a sh*t, did Amanda walk home or did Raffaele come and fetch her in his car?
Amanda waking up late in Raffaele’s bed is also suspicious. In Raffaele’s memoir he writes that Amanda typically got up early, at 05:00. Getting up early as a habit would explain why Amanda was standing outside Marco Quintavalle’s shop before it opened on Friday November 2nd, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense. But if Amanda typically woke up early, and if they were going to Gubbio, why did both of them sleep till 10:00? After having a quiet night watching a movie and talking, and not doing much else [they can’t even remember making love] why didn’t Amanda get up early, as she usually did?
Now remember, Amanda was actually two-timing her American boyfriend David Johnsrud [DJ] with Raffaele, and flirting and sleeping with different guys, yet in her memoir and in Raffaele’s there’s this mischievous ruse of ‘the days melting into one another’ and each day being a repeat of the last, some or other combination of ‘reading Harry Potter, making dinner, making love etc
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Asuming facts not in evidence
Here is what you should really focus on: (you know articles in magazines dont constitute evidence)
They are aquitted, they did NOT COMMIT the ACT”
That is all you really have to know, no fantasy, no opinion, no conjecture or false hope!
Wow that post really got to you!
AK and RS claimed to have had a particularly good nights sleep on 1st Nov to 2nd November but if you look at both of their hair on the morning of the 2nd – it looks like straw; the same thing happens to my own hair if I’ve had a particularly bad nights sleep.
But “they planned a pleasant trip to Gubbio”. (with hair like that?). Yeah right.
Are you really relying on the state of their hair to determine guilt, perhaps a new low!
Not just that, but all the lies they told.
So they are guilty beacause their hari was a mess and in your opinion they told lies. OMG stop the press! So tired and lame!
And she was caught with a mop claiming another ridiculous story.
A mop that contained what evidence, what is your assumption?
She lied over and over again. innocent people don’t lie.
Innocent people lie all the time, what is your point? Are you sure you dont want to add – And she looks guilty, seem to be the holy trinity of Guilt-Dom
No, they don’t. Not in a murder investigation, unless they are sociopathic. Is Amanda a sociopath?
Given your premis is Filomenia a murdered?
In your above sentence “murdered” is the incorrect spelling of “murderer” which we all know you are. You have now been booked with the department of corrections.
Filomena had an alibi. I know you think that is irrelevant because AK and RS changed theirs many times, but that’s all you really need – an airtight alibi.
Filomenia lied, so by your own admission she is a murderer, Filomenia alibi is exactly the same as Amanda’s she was at her boyfriends apartment the whole night, in Perugia as well! So if Amanda’s so called lies lead to he being a murderer then so do Filomenia’s the only difference here is that Filomenia had a lawyer well before she made any statements to the police.
Filomenia was never charged with callunia or perjury. Therefore, she did not lie. Knox was and is convicted liar forevermore. You lose. It sucks to be you.
The difference is she didn’t lie, Amanda got caught out in a bunch of lies
Filomenia Lied directly to the police to get back into her room to remove her drugs and tried to convince Amanda to lie about her drug stash as well. So she did lie, it is on record. So Filomenia must have killed Meredith! Perhaps there was an argument over a bad translation, Or a Sex game gone wrong, or Laura forgot to flush the toilet, who knows, but it must have been Filomenia that killed meredith
You’re starting to panic. Breeeeath slowwwly. In through the nose, out through the mouth. You’re like the wicked witch – melting, I’m meeeeeltiiiing
No, innocent people do not. Only guilty people do like YOU!
She said she had just taken a shower remember? She obviously did not. Why lie?
Aquitted, Did not commit the act! This is how I will answer in the future whenever a guilter brings up a proven lie!
Then why are you on here? Sounds like to are not convinced and are still trying to have others believe her lies. She lied so much its impossible she isn’t involved. Why did dhe call home in the middle of the night for no reason? Why did she lie about taking a shower/ Why did she lie about her lamp? calling the police? calling Meredith? Calling her room mate? lie liel lie lie liel ie
Wyh dont you tell us about Amanda’s lamp, what role did it play in the murder, what did Amanda say about the lamp, what did the prosecution offer about the lamp, veiled inuendo is not proof, it is nothing!
it is an indisputable fact that Amanda Knox has spun the truth. Tells lies. Deliberately, repeatedly, and very incriminatingly. I think it’s worth revisiting a few of her many lies for any new visitors to this board, so that they can get a clearer picture of the real strength of the case.
Some of Amanda’s vociferous supporters have claimed that Amanda only lied once – and that was because she was “smacked around” by the police, or put under pressure. And that her confessions, in which she admitted to being at the cottage on the night of the murder, were thrown out by the Italian Supreme Court.
It doesn’t take a careful examination of the known facts to conclude that both these claims really are nonsense. Amanda’s first known lie wasn’t to the police, but to her flatmate, Filomena, on 2 November, the day after Meredith’s murder.
Amanda phoned Filomena at 12.08 pm, and said she was worried about the front door being open and blood stains in the small bathroom.
False claim one. Amanda said she was going to call Raffaele, but according to Raffaele, Amanda had already returned to his apartment at 11.30 am, and then they had gone back to the cottage.
At 12.34 pm Amanda and Filomena spoke again. Filomena said, “We spoke to each other for the third time and she told me that the window in my room was broken and that my room was in a mess. At this point I asked her to call the police and she told me that she already had.”
False claim two. Amanda and Raffaele didn’t actually call the police until 12.51 pm.
The postal postal police unexpectedly turned up at the cottage at 12. 35 pm.
False claim three. Amanda and Raffael told the police that they had called the police and were waiting for them.
False claim four. Amanda told the postal police that Meredith always kept her door locked. Filomena strongly disagreed with her, and told the postal police the opposite was true.
Amanda and Raffaele were then taken in for questioning.
False claim five. They said they couldn’t remember most of what happened on the night of the murder, because they had smoked cannabis.
It is medically impossible for cannabis to cause such dramatic amnesia and there are no studies that have ever demonstrated that this is possible.
Long term use of cannabis may affect short term memory, which means that users might have difficulty recalling a telephone number. But it won’t wipe out whole chunks of an evening from their memory banks.
False claim six. Amanda accused Diya Lumumba of murdering Meredith at the cottage.
It’s true that two of Amanda’s such statements were thrown out by the Italian Supreme Court. However, Amanda repeated the accusation, in a note that she wrote to the police on 6 November.
This note was not thrown out by the Italian Supreme Court, and it was admitted as evidence.
False claims seven and eight. In her 6 November note Amanda claimed to have seen Diya Lumumba at the basketball court at Piazza Grimana; and outside her front door. He was actually at his bar.
False claim nine. Amanda’s supporters claim that she confessed to a lesser role in Meredith’s murder, and blamed Diya Lumumba, because she had been “smacked around” or put under pressure by the police.
But the real reason she had to say she was at the cottage was because she was informed that Raffaele Sollecito was no longer providing her with an alibi.
Raffaele had been confronted with phone records, and was now claiming that she was not with him the whole evening, and that she had only returned at 1.00 am. Amanda did not attempt to refute Raffaele’s claim, but now admitted that she had been at the cottage.
The significance of this about-turn cannot be stressed enough.
(Incidentally, Raffaele was also claiming that he had lied, because he had believed Amanda’s version of what happened and not thought about the inconsistencies. He is acknowledging that Amanda’s version had inconsistencies.)
If it had been true that Amanda had been “smacked around” by the police during questioning, why haven’t her lawyers ever filed a complaint? It was very telling that Amanda dropped her allegation of being hit by the police at her recent court hearing, and instead just claimed she had been put under pressure.
There’s a world of difference between police brutality and being put under pressure. It wasn’t the first time that Amanda has made a false and malicious accusation, as Diya Lumumba knows only too well.
False claim ten. Amanda claimed to have slept in at Raffaele’s until the next morning. However, her mobile records show that this was not so. Amanda turned on her mobile at approximately at 5.32 am.
The only plausibe explanation for Amanda’s deliberate and repeated lies? That she was involved in the murder of Meredith Kercher.
It should be no surprise to anyone following the case that the same three witnesses who have repeatedly lied, Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guede, have all been placed at the crime scene.
By a total of 23 separate pieces of forensic evidence.
Renato Biondo has just recently provided independent confirmation that the scientifc police’s investigation was carried out correctly. And that the forensic findings are accurate.
Blah, blah blah blah blah!
What evidence was there that Amanda was in Merediths room?
This is the exact thing the judges in the motivation rail against, contemplating some fantastic story without an ounce of evidence to support it.:
The grand story does not exclude the need for supporting evidence.
Like OJ and Casey Anthony – bumbling police work doesn’t change the fact they are guilty.
The fact that there is no evidence and the final ruing that they did not commit the act is what them innocent. Who cares about OJ or CA, that is just background noise, an attempt to link an innocent person with people whjo have been deemed guilty in the public. It means nothing as anyone with even basic intelligence can see righ through these cheap trick!
Sorry, common sense is enough. look, most of the world, except the fervent FOA, know she was involved, we understand human nature and inherently know she is lying. Nothing the FOA can say will change that. just like OJ and Casey Anthony – the premise is identical, and thus very relevant.
So is she guilty because she is a liar or not, you cant have it both ways?
Correct. She is guilty.
Because she lied, got it! it is a terrible assumption but I get your reasoning, anyone who lies is a murderer. If she weighs less than a duck she must also be a witch, i’ll weigh her the next time I see her. I know you wont get the reference as your only 10, but let me tell you, its a side splitter!
Yes exactly – in this case her lies prove she was involved. Finally you are catching on. if this was in the USA she’d be convicted for sure.
It would never have gotten past probable cause in the US. And people lie every day for many different reasons, and guess what? They are not murderers!
the ones accused of murder don’t lie like she did. that’d be really stupid now wouldn’t it/ unless they were hiding something.
There are thousands of innocent people world-wide caught in this sort of trap, it happens everyday because most of the public is not trained to withstand an interrogation. You comment leads me to believe that you would also be vulnerable because of your Pollyanna insistence that “innocent people don’t lie” when in an interrogation room. They do, they have, and they suffer for it because of unscrupulous cops who use threats to get what they want. The news is full of these stories in real life and the TV is full of dramatizations of exactly this scenario. Why deny it happens?
Boom! There it is. And it is what it is. Thank you again my friend. 🙂
Nope, none of the DNA outside Meredith room that belonged to Amanda was from Blood! Bam, there it is you loose!
Nope, mixed DNA, sorry your small mind can not grasp the concept:
= blood
Ill post it again from the motivation, to refresh your memory:
“With reference to the alleged bloody traces in the other rooms, mainly in the corridor, there is even an obvious misrepresentation of evidence. Indeed the S.A.L. of the Scientific Police (acronym of “Stato Avanzamento Lavori” [State of Work Progress], stating the progression of the scientific investigations and their results) had excluded, thanks to the use of a specific chemical reagent [TMB], that the traces highlighted by luminol in the concerned rooms were of haematic nature
haematic = Blood
Excluded – Not from Blood
the biological traces belonging to her (Amanda) are a result of epithelial rubbing”
Epithelial = Skin Cells
This refutes your claims as they are laid out in the motivation. Please, once again, stop spreading lies!
Knox’s blood was found on the tap in the bathroom,She said it was not there the day before the murder, when did it get there?
She said she didn’t see it before the murder. And if she was a conniving liar like you claim why would she not just say she did see it.
There are so many refuted lies in your post it is just astonishing:
“it is an indisputable fact that Amanda Knox has spun the truth” it is not indisputable, your first lie.
Is it a lie to to be off on the timing or the sequence of innocent events? I would be way more worried if everthing they said was exact and down to the minute and in perfect order. Nothing of the phone calls or sequence of calls proves anything towards guilt!
YOur other notions about Lumumba are completely false and do not take into account her imediate retraction, in writing the ver next morning. You also claim that Amanda (Ever) said that she saw Diya kill meredith, this is factually incorrect, even if you are sillty enough to belived the force confession. There is just too much playin loose with the facts to respond to the whole mess.
Anonshy is freaking out already – seeing that the facts are out there, and most know she is guily regardless of the inept police – just like Casey Anthony and OJ
Yes, indeed. And Knox’s upcoming conviction will be the final nail in her coffin. There is no way out of this one this time. Dalla Vedova didn’t even cross examine the cops who testified against her, because he knows they got her this time lying on the stand and it is recorded on video tape. #guilty
I cant wait till the Perugian police produce the video of the interogation! that will be awesome. Nail in the coffin, what a joke! you reall have collectivey lost al perspective! run bact to .Nut surely there is more to cut and paste as all lemmings do!
There is nothing these freaks would like to do than to continue spreading their lies and JohnS’s post has a great many.
But it would be a huge mistake to correct each and every one. Since, they will just move on to posting other lies. There are three simple facts to remember. Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are innocent and Rudy Guede is in prison for killing Meredith.
Everything else is BS.
this says it all!
Raffaele said yesterday that “I cannot swear about Amanda’s innocence and by the way, I have a new book to sell.” Hilarious!
Raffaele has always maintained that Amanda and he are both innocent, you are spinning his statements to suit your personal confirmation bias.